come to the wedding.
' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.
' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.
LT
All we are required to do is to respond by accepting it.
Where is that in those verses? I don't see any response called for in chapters one two or three. In fact your last point is right on.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
It's all of God.
Amen!
D Dog
Thanks LT
come to the wedding.
' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.
' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.
UnDisfellowshipped You said,
My so-called "test", was simply a list of sincere questions that I truly would like to know your answers for, so I can understand your beliefs better.
I find that hard to believe, because your first post on this thread was a series of points you made on another thread, that either myself or elderwho rebutted. You surely know how we feel on most of the issues you question us on. As for Hebrews 10: 28-29 I think these verses deal more with those who say they believe the gospel, but continue to willfully sin.
The Bible shows that those who have been enlightened and reject Christ will receive a MUCH WORSE PUNISHMENT in Hell than those who died under Moses' Law.
And people accuse Calvin's God of coercion.
Think of it this way: A man, who cannot swim, is drowning. Another person comes along and offers him a lifesaver. The drowning man then rejects the lifesaver, and hence drowns. The man was going to drown already, but the other man did offer him the chance to live, but he rejected it and drowned.
I think this is the most telling part of our disagreement. The bible tells me not to think that way. Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened , who were dead in trespasses and sins; The bible teaches I was dead in trespasses and sins, not drowning, not sick, not dying, but D E A D, dead, dead, dead!!! Why would you offer a dead man a life saver (I think you mean preserver)? What I needed was a g rappling hook! not a choice. Jesus quickened my spirit, the same way he raised Lazarus from the dead. He didn't offer Lazarus a choice of life or death, He didn't ask him if he wanted to be raised. He didn't go to him when he was sick, he waited until he was dead. Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) quickened means; made alive. One more thing. You said:
Did you not repent of your sins and put your faith in Christ
I did repent out of gratitude, but I didn't put my faith in Christ. He put His faith in me. Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Faith in Christ is a gift my friend. Not a choice! Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. D Dog
come to the wedding.
' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.
' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.
Thanks LT
come to the wedding.
' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.
' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.
UnDisfellowshipped After reading your "test" for about the tenth time, I have decided not to take it because I would probably fail. Unless I can change your questions around the way you changed mine. I asked this question;
What is so special about those that choose God?
and you said
I would change that question around and ask: What is so wrong with those that reject God?
You seem to think that people go to hell simply because they reject God or the gospel. I thought that I was already going to hell because of my sins (the ones I committed before I ever knew anything about the gospel), so when I herd about what Jesus did for me, I thought it was already a done deal. I didn't think about rejecting or accepting anything. For me it was just, Thankyou Jesus! You make it sound like God reveals himself and says; lets make a deal. I can't picture God anything like Monty Hall. God didn't offer me a choice. He gave me his Son before I was born. D Dog
come to the wedding.
' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.
' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.
LT
Are you saying that you think man is born neutral in regard to God or do you think he is condemned already?
D Dog
come to the wedding.
' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.
' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.
LT
What do you mean by "double-predestination"? that term gets kicked around a lot and How do you square up:
John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.D Dog
come to the wedding.
' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.
' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.
UnDisfellowshipped
Before I take your "test", I'm still trying to understand what you're saying.
First you say:
God desires ALL HUMANS to be saved
Then you said
All these things can't be true, can they? D DogJesus Himself explained that God does NOT choose to enlighten all people
I never said that everyone is given a choice. I said that God chooses whom He wants to enlighten, and then He gives that person a choice of choosing to repent or to reject Jesus.
From the Bible, it appears that God never did enlighten Pharoah
come to the wedding.
' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.
' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.
Flash
God who creates can (and did) provide the ability for humans to maintain perfect law.
How do you know that?
D Dog
come to the wedding.
' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.
' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.
UnDis
Did God create sin and death?You tell me.
Gen 2:16
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:Gen 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat" (is the law not a teacher that reveals sin) of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. (die, death mean the same thing don't they) Did Adam and Eve create the sin of eating the fruit of the tree or did God? It looks like God revealed the sin before they ever thought of it. Did God create death (the penalty for sin) or did Adam and Eve? My bottom line. Did God reveal sin to Satan or did Satan reveal sin to God? D Dog
come to the wedding.
' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.
' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.
Flash
Why would you agree that
to say that God created Adam and Eve WITHOUT freedom to choose whether to sin would be crediting God with evil
Does that make our law makers (government) guilty of the laws they make, simply for defining the law? Why does creating something that is lacking one or more ingredients credit God with sin? Can't he add those ingredients when and how he wants, to complete his creation or his plan?
D Dog
